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Dustin
January 16th, 2006, 09:24 AM
Successful completion could result in first-ever low-dose anticoagulation therapy recommendations for a mechanical heart valve



AUSTIN, TX (January 10, 2006) – Medical Carbon Research Institute L.L.C. (MCRI™) today announced the U.S. Food and Drug Administration (FDA) has approved an investigational device exemption (IDE) clinical trial of the On-X® Prosthetic Heart Valve at reduced anticoagulation levels following local Internal Review Board (IRB) approvals. Successful completion of the clinical study could result in the On-X valve becoming the only mechanical heart valve approved for low-dose anticoagulation therapy.



Based on existing clinical data and the submitted protocol, the FDA has determined that a clinical trial of the On-X valve with three specific patient groups at reduced anticoagulation levels is clinically reasonable. The patient groups include low-risk aortic valve replacement patients, higher risk aortic valve replacement patients and mitral valve replacement patients. Higher risk patients include those with heart rhythm problems, left ventricular dysfunction, previous thrombo-embolism and condition of hypercoagulability.



The low-risk aortic patient group will be maintained using non-warfarin anticoagulation medication of clopidogrel (Plavix®) and aspirin. Higher-risk aortic patients will be maintained using warfarin (Coumadin®) at reduced International Normalized Ratio (INR) levels of between 1.5 and 2.0, plus aspirin. The mitral valve replacement patients will be maintained with warfarin at a target INR of 2.0 to 2.5 and aspirin. The first three months for all patient groups include traditional warfarin anticoagulation protocols. To ensure that patients remain within target INR range, each patient will be required to self-monitor their anticoagulation levels. Results of this self-monitoring will be communicated to the patient’s physician.



The investigation will be led by John D. Puskas, M.D., associate chief, Division of Cardiothoracic Surgery at Emory University School of Medicine in Atlanta, Ga., and is expected to be complete after five years of follow-up.



"This is the first FDA trial to explore lower anticoagulation with mechanical heart valves," said Dr. Puskas. “The On-X valve has design and material features that make us hopeful that it may function well at lower levels of blood-thinning medications. If this trial proves what we believe it will, On-X valve recipients will be able to take a lower level of anticoagulant, which will reduce the potential incidence of bleeding complications caused by taking the higher dosages of Coumadin normally prescribed after receiving a mechanical heart valve."



According to The American College of Cardiology and the American Heart Association’s “Guidelines for Management of Patients with Valvular Heart Disease,” the standard of care for three-months postoperative is anticoagulation therapy with warfarin at an INR of 2.5 to 3.5 for both mechanical and biologic (animal) tissue valve replacement patients. Recommendations for biologic valve patients three months postoperatively are 80 to 100 mg/day of aspirin. After three months, mechanical valve postoperative anticoagulation therapy advises the use of warfarin at INR levels of 2.0 to 3.0 for aortic valve replacement patients without risk and 2.5 to 3.5 for aortic valve patients with risk and mitral valve patients. Although warfarin has a long history of safe use, it has the potential side effect of bleeding.



“The "holy grail" for cardiac surgeons implanting heart valves has been ‘A Valve for Life’," said Sidney Levitsky, M.D., Cheever Professor of Surgery at Harvard Medical School and director of Cardiothoracic Surgery for CARE Group, Boston, Mass., and chair of the Reduced Anticoagulation Clinical Trial of the On-X Prosthetic Heart Valve Data Safety Monitoring Committee. “To avoid clotting, presently accepted mechanical valve postoperative care mandates high levels of anticoagulation with warfarin, which is associated with bleeding problems varying from minor episodes of hematuria (blood in urine) and melena (blood in stool) to intracerebral hemorrhage. If the approved FDA reduced anticoagulation study is successful, the On-X valve will become the safe valve of choice for a new generation of patients who are expected to enjoy a long life, and we will finally approach the concept of ‘A Valve for Life’."



"The On-X valve may be the next step in the evolution of valve technology," said Hillel Laks, M.D., professor and chief of Cardiothoracic Surgery and director of the Heart, Lung and Heart-Lung Transplant Programs at UCLA School of Medicine. “This study is significant because of the larger numbers of older valve patients who are living longer. Traditionally, these patients would receive tissue valves to avoid the bleeding risk associated with taking higher levels of Coumadin. However, when tissue valve patients live into their 80s and 90s, they run the risk of having replacement surgery in eight to 16 years when the tissue valve wears out. This FDA study has the potential for changing our choices in heart valves in the future. If we can show that it is safe to use a mechanical valve with low levels of Coumadin or alternative drugs that are safe—or even no Coumadin—the choice in these borderline older patients will be completely different.”



"After decades of heart valve research and design, we have developed what could be the first prosthetic heart valve to combine the durability of a mechanical valve with the reduced complication rates of tissue valves,” said Jack Bokros, Ph.D., MCRI's founder and chairman. "The approval to conduct this reduced anticoagulation study is further evidence that the On-X valve merits study under this protocol. The success of the study could provide proof that the On-X valve is truly a breakthrough medical advance in heart valve prosthetics, providing patients with the benefits of both mechanical and tissue valves: a valve that will last a lifetime without the potential complications of taking high dose anticoagulants.”



Clinical centers and patients are now being recruited for the On-X reduced anticoagulation study. The study is limited to 1,200 patients and 20 institutions. Interested parties should contact John Ely, Executive Vice President of Regulatory and Clinical Affairs for MCRI, at 888-339-8000 ext. 226 or ely@mcritx.com. Information and updates for this and other On-X Prosthetic Heart Valve studies are located at www.onxvalves.com or by contacting MCRI.



Until the completion and analysis of study data, MCRI continues to recommend standard anticoagulation therapy as presently prescribed by various professional societies for the On-X valve.



Other Non-Randomized Reduced Anticoagulation Trials in Progress

For the past year, a non-randomized observational study of On-X valve patients under standard labeling indications with an INR target range within—yet at the lower limits of—American College of Cardiology and American Heart Association guidelines, has been conducted by Cardiac Surgical Associates (CSA) and the Tampa Bay Heart Institute. The study employs home monitoring to aid control of the anticoagulant therapy. The study has not reached significance, but according to Vinay Badhwar, M.D., “the observed results of our non-randomized reduced anticoagulation trial with the On-X valve are extremely encouraging. The lack of bleeding complications and the combination of a durable prosthesis with manageable low INR anticoagulation is providing patients with significant lifestyle improvements.”



In South Africa, 438 On-X valve patients have been followed (95 percent) for five years. The patients are documented to have varying amounts of anticoagulation. Approximately 14 percent of On-X patients were categorized as having “unsatisfactory” or anticoagulation below 1.5 INR. Another 29 percent had “no” or “unknown” anticoagulation, which was attributed to poor patient compliance to established protocols. The remarkable aspect of the study is that among aortic, mitral and double valve replacement patients, only one (0.2 percent per patient year) patient experienced thrombosis.



More about the On-X Prosthetic Heart Valve

The On-X valve is the result of a breakthrough in medical grade carbon technology: On-X® Carbon. In addition to providing a more thrombo-resistant surface, the pure On-X Carbon enabled MCRI to make significant valve design changes that resulted in a prosthetic that treats blood more like a natural valve. It is well documented that the On-X valve does not produce the turbulence and blood damage commonly produced by other mechanical heart valve prosthesis and therefore significantly reduces the potential for life-threatening blood clots.



First implanted in 1996, recent clinical evidence suggests that patients implanted with the On-X heart valve may be able to forego or reduce the dosages of anticoagulation therapy traditionally required by mechanical heart valve recipients.



The FDA approved the On-X aortic and mitral valves for commercial use in the United States on May 30, 2001, and March 6, 2002, respectively. More than 40,000 On-X valves have been implanted since 1996.



About Cardiovascular Disease and Heart Valve Replacement

Cardiovascular disease is the number one cause of death worldwide. The American Heart Association reports that 95,000 surgeries were performed in the United States to repair or replace malfunctioning or diseased heart valves in 2003. According to a June 2004 report issued by Millennium Research Group, life-threatening heart valve disease, including stenosis and regurgitation, affected approximately five million people in the United States in 2003. Millennium Research Group predicts the heart valve market will generate more than $650 million by 2008 due to advances in minimally invasive techniques, the increasing incidents of cardiovascular disease and the aging population.



About MCRI

Medical Carbon Research Institute (MCRI) develops heart valve replacements that significantly improve the quality of life for patients. Jack Bokros, Ph.D., and his associates founded MCRI in 1994 to advance prosthetic heart valve technology by capitalizing on their new form of pyrolytic carbon. The On-X valve design was awarded a 2002 Medical Device Excellence Award in the Implant and Tissue-Replacement Products category. MCRI also provides OEM services utilizing its patented On-X Carbon to manufacturers of other medical products, including orthopedic joint and spine implant devices. MCRI is headquartered in Austin, Texas, and maintains a wholly owned subsidiary, MCRI Deutschland GmbH, in Hannover, Germany. More information about the company is located at www.onxvalves.com.

Source:
http://newark.dbusinessnews.com/shownews.php?newsid=57400&type_news=past

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This is encouraging news for those who have this valve, or are to receive one in the future. Perhaps this valve offers improved protection against thrombus with conventional coumadin therapy after all. Only time will tell.

geebee
January 16th, 2006, 01:02 PM
I sure hope this works out but I wouldn't want to be part of the test group.:eek: :eek: :eek: I am not that brave.

Dustin
January 16th, 2006, 02:29 PM
I sure hope this works out but I wouldn't want to be part of the test group.:eek: :eek: :eek: I am not that brave.


Yep, there is too much of a risk ending up paralyzed for the rest of your life. However, the improved thromboresistance could give patients some comfort whenever the INR drops too low while on regular coumadin management.

Randy & Robyn
January 16th, 2006, 03:36 PM
I'm pushing hard to get this valve and now I will push even harder. :)

RCB
January 16th, 2006, 04:20 PM
I'm pushing hard to get this valve and now I will push even harder. :)

Best of luck Randy- Maybe Vr.com should start a letter writing drive.
Think about it! Just let us know who to send it to. This could be the
begining of some very exciting news, that will take away the threat of strokes
and last a lifetime.

Randy & Robyn
January 16th, 2006, 05:28 PM
Best of luck Randy- Maybe Vr.com should start a letter writing drive.
Think about it! Just let us know who to send it to. This could be the
begining of some very exciting news, that will take away the threat of strokes
and last a lifetime.

I may just take you up on that, Bob. I just talked with the sales manager at MCRI and she told me that their sales rep is meeting with Dr. Lytle, the chief of cardiovascular surgery at Cleveland Clinic, today. I should know very soon if I get my chance. A few letters sure wouldn't hurt if they are hesitant. I will be contacting Dr. Lytle personally myself as well.

I have my fingers crossed.

Randy

Ross
January 16th, 2006, 08:16 PM
Plavix - 75mg Tablets
Quantity Our Price
30 tablets $116.99


Coumadin - 5mg Tablets
Quantity Our Price
30 tablets $23.99


What do you think will happen?

Karlynn
January 16th, 2006, 11:44 PM
[QUOTE=RossTO THE EDIT POLICE---Users may edit their own posts, so if something disappears, ask the poster about it. Perhaps we should take that ability away from everyone so that everyone can be happy.[/QUOTE]

Oh no - don't do that! I'm a fast typer and a terrible speller and often go back 2 or 3 times to correct typos or spelling. If I can't edit my posts then everyone will not see me as the highly intelligent, incredibly stunning woman that I am!:D :D

I'm with Gina and Dustin - If I got an On-X, I'd let someone else be the lab rat for this study. Not exactly an heroic position to take, but I like being able to feed myself. However, once proved, I'd be happy to follow suit.

geebee
January 17th, 2006, 12:07 AM
I think it will be interesting (of course a bit down the road) if the study does prove aspirin is sufficient for the On-X, to see if folks with non-On-X mechanicals choose to have their valves replaced.

Maybe worth another poll. Would you choose to have another OHS to get an On-X valve knowing it would more than likely be your last valve and you would be off coumadin? I know I would consider it except for the fact that I have reached my OHS surgery limit for this lifetime.:( :(

I sincerely hope the On-X recipients get to throw their coumadin tablets away (or, at least, send them on to us coumadin junkies).

Dustin
January 17th, 2006, 04:51 AM
I'm with Gina and Dustin - If I got an On-X, I'd let someone else be the lab rat for this study. Not exactly an heroic position to take, but I like being able to feed myself. However, once proved, I'd be happy to follow suit.

When we take coumadin, aka "rat poison", we should all be called lab rats. :p

Randy & Robyn
January 17th, 2006, 06:20 AM
Plavix - 75mg Tablets
Quantity Our Price
30 tablets $116.99


Coumadin - 5mg Tablets
Quantity Our Price
30 tablets $23.99


What do you think will happen?

Yes, but how much for chill pills, Ross? Sounds like you may need to distribute them to some of our members. :D

No lab rat for me either. I would take my coumadin knowing that I could breathe easier if it happened to drop below 2.0. And perhaps bridging therapy could be avoided for other invasive procedures. That would be a huge plus.

It is interesting that they propose such narrow ranges of the inr in their trials. I remember reading in other threads that it is very difficult to maintain that degree of control.

Randy

Dustin
January 17th, 2006, 06:34 AM
No lab rat for me either. I would take my coumadin knowing that I could breathe easier if it happened to drop below 2.0. And perhaps bridging therapy could be avoided for other invasive procedures. That would be a huge plus.
Randy

Those were my thoughts exactly. Knowing that the On-X shows higher robustness against low INR could give some breathing space and mental tranquillity whenever you drop below 2. I'll choose this valve but wish to remain on conventional coumadin therapy, however.

catwoman
January 17th, 2006, 01:20 PM
How difficult will it be to keep their doses in a 0.5mg range??????? Easier to do so within a 1.0mg window.

RCB
January 17th, 2006, 01:47 PM
How difficult will it be to keep their doses in a 0.5mg range???????

Kind of silly I think, a test can be that far off!:rolleyes:

Dustin
January 19th, 2006, 07:51 AM
Update:

I have been patrolling some German forums last couple of days and read that those who are on the On-X aspirin-only trials are using the ThromboCheck acoustic monitor to improve the detection of thrombus. Spectrum analysis (Fast Fourier Transform) is used to identify possible valve malfunction through shifts of characterstics frequencies and amplitudes. Patients that have detected 10% shifts have been issued a warning and have been admitted to the hospital for further tests. Those cases showing thrombus underwent trombolysis therapy, showing a return to the patient's baseline acoustic signature.

I'm curious whether this procedure will be applied in the US, where patients send their acoustic signature to the hospital over the internet whenever possible. An online database and analysis service to provide feedback and advice on the valve status. It can be expected that catastrophic valve thrombosis and dysfunction will be reduced by frequent spectral analysis.

We are living in interesting times indeed. Stay tuned.

catwoman
January 19th, 2006, 09:50 AM
Dustin:

What is an accoustic signature?

And just wondering:

If -- and I stress IF -- aspirin were to be OK'd by the U.S. FDA for anti-coagulation therapy with the On-X valve, what safeguards would be used to detect possible clots? Seems it would require additional tests, instruments, etc.

Dustin
January 19th, 2006, 10:33 AM
Dustin:


What is an accoustic signature?



Your "acoustic signature" would be the characteristic sound (frequencies and amplitudes) of your valve right after surgery. So when you use this TC device, you would be recording the sound coming from your valve compared to the sound you had when you just received your valve. So, your acoustic signature is unique and belongs to you only. Any sort of "significant" discrepancy between the sound you record and what you started with may indicate the onset of thrombus or other valve dysfunction. It's comparable to voice recognition technology.






And just wondering:

If -- and I stress IF -- aspirin were to be OK'd by the U.S. FDA for anti-coagulation therapy with the On-X valve, what safeguards would be used to detect possible clots? Seems it would require additional tests, instruments, etc.

Granted, acoustic valve monitoring is in its initial stage and clinical trials are currently being conducted in Germany. It is argued that frequent spectral analysis of your valve sound is very sensitive and that the smallest thrombus formations could be detected BEFORE the usual ultrasound or flow measurements are able to detect valve dysfunction. So your valve may be operating properly, but the onset of thrombus at hinge points are already influencing leaflet motion in the smallest sense, hence a shift in your acoustic signature will be detectible.

It is argued, however, that the device cannot prevent thrombosis and eventual embolims, but it may be a diagnostic tool that allows us to intervene at earlier stages such that valves can be replaced or treated otherwise. So when your valve goes bad, you are probably detecting it before catastrophic valve dysfunction or embolisms ensue. So the protocol as it is written right now, is that patient undergo further rigorous tests at the hospital whenever the acoustic signature changes for a 10%, say. One last thing, it remarked that your acoustic signature may also be influenced by other factors such as a-fib.

Stay tuned.

Randy & Robyn
January 26th, 2006, 10:10 PM
Here is an article on the thrombocheck device mentioned by Dustin:

http://www.icr-heart.com/journal/abstracts/sep2005/article13.html

Enetric
February 6th, 2006, 01:54 PM
I am a 37 year old man faced with making that difficult decision of mech Vs. Tissue for an AVR I will be having in the next few weeks. I still havent decided and I have been trying to get as much info in both directions as I can.

I read this article on the site about a week ago and mentioned the On-X valve to the surgeon I will be going to.

He had something interesting to say about this.

He was aware of the trial. he knew all about the valve. He felt there were some interesting aspect to this valve. Felt it was a well made product.

However, he also said that there was no real reason other than marketing to make this valve more likely to suceed with lower anticoagulant use than the St' Judes.

That if the trial itself yileds favorable results no reason a St. Judes valve couldnt follow in this direction based on a comparions of design, materials and specs. However, he also made it clear to me that he wouldnt want any patient of his participating in the trial itself. That the fer of stoke is still there and a real risk. The trail doesnt take that concern away.

Additionaly he didnt like this valve for me for a specific reason. He says that currently the On-X valve only comes in one size, 25. I am 6-2", a big man and he expects to use a bigger valve on me.

I dont know if anyone else is aware that it only comes in one size, but I thought the info might be helpful if this accurate.

I am new to this compared to many others around here so forgive me if this is wrong...but my understanding the bigger the valve the better the flow? It would seem a good reason for some NOT to want this valve.

OldManEmu
February 6th, 2006, 04:01 PM
On-X aortic valves are available in sizes up to 27/29 mm.
I have attached the link. http://www.onxvalves.com/ValveInformation.asp Then clink on specifications and catalogue to down load the spec sheet on the various size valves made. :)

Enetric
February 6th, 2006, 07:17 PM
The surgeon I spoke with said its the cuff they use to make it the larger size. That the valve itself is one size. That is what he didnt like about it for larger valve candidates and he said they dont advertise that detail.

I am sorry I should have been more clear about the feedback I got.

aworriedhoney
February 7th, 2006, 11:39 AM
My honey got a 27mm On-x put in three weeks ago. The surgeon who is The heart surgeon in our area said that the fit was actually better than the St. Jude. He said that it seated perfectly with the aorta and the St. Jude sometime has slight openings around it that he has to adjust for most of the time.

RCB
February 16th, 2006, 11:06 AM
Do you think they will talk to Randy about this?:confused:

Moo
March 10th, 2006, 08:56 PM
It's been a while since I've checked in with the site and after reading this post I was very excited to say the least...

Then I spoke with the On-X folks today...

It is prospective enrollment and we are in discussions with Columbia, although I think our research interests are a bit divergent and we may not use this center due to their competing trials and such. In any case you would not be eligible for the study. We are looking into what can be done for patients that already have an On-X valve but FDA rules may limit our options here. One thing I will do is file your e-mail in a tickler file so that when we can come up with something we can contact you directly. You are not alone on this list so you will get our attention.

John L.Ely
Executive Vice President
Regulatory Affairs
Medical Carbon Research Institute, LLC

So then I asked:

Just as a final question, how long is the trial and if completed successfully, how long afterwards would the therapy be approved for all patients?

And they said:

The study lasts 5 years and roughly 1 year after that approval to change labeling could occur. That it takes this long is the unfortunately reality for anything new in heart valve therapy. The only way this could be accelerated is if the study results are extraordinarily good at about 3 years.

John L.Ely
Executive Vice President
Regulatory Affairs
Medical Carbon Research Institute, LLC

So not overly thrilling news for me, but to prospective patients it should be a huge step. And all things considered, I've been on Coumadin for about a year and a half and I don't see any huge issues other than shuttering when I see a sharp object. I still shave with a razor (only at night so I'm awake and coordinated though), drink alcohol very varied (some weeks none, some nights 8-10) and have tested weekly for over a year and have only been out of range (high) twice (3.5 and 4.8). Some of the side-effects of Plavix aren't too appealing and personally I think I'd rather wait for the aspirin-only. Anyway, just some info for the masses.

Rich

tobagotwo
March 11th, 2006, 09:14 AM
Actually, there is a difference in materials between the On-X and the St. Jude, as well as in hemodynamics. I'm surprised the surgeon brushed those issue off so readily.

Yes, both - in fact all of the best-known mechanical valves - are now pyrolytic carbon (thus the term "carbon valve"). However, the processes for creating that material are different. The pyrolytic carbon used in the manufacture of On-X valves is the only one at this time that is free of silicon, which is a part of the manufacturing process for other carbons. This makes its surface more slick than standard carbon materials and less permeable than the carbons used for other valves. It's even less brittle, although the value of that is moot, because all carbons used in valves are capable of outlasting their human hosts several times over.

The hemodynamic differences include shaping that creates flow points where momentary stagnations were previously possible, particularly around pivots, which reduce the blood's ability to clot. Along with the slicker surface and reduced permeability, it also interferes with the spontaneous growth of tissue on the valve.

The valve leaflets are also desiged to fall closed more gently, which causes less hemolysis (damage to blood cells - mostly red cells), reducing the chance and amount of anemia from that cause. This also means that fewer byproducts of broken blood cells are floating through the body. The body is set up to react to a significant presence of damaged blood cell components, and they can raise inflammation chemical levels and even cause enlargement of the spleen. Their very presence can form the base for blood clots or add to arterial plaque.

It may also mean less noise from the valve, but that's not important to function. I believe the amount of noise is dependent on body mass, body density, volume of the area inside the rib cage and above the diaphragm, conductive ("bone") hearing of the patient, volume of lungs, size of the heart, position of the heart, heart rate, and how hard the heart beats (pump stroke impact), and probably a few other things as well...

The current warfarin INR recommendations are really based mostly on years of experience with the St. Jude valve. It is by far the most common mechanical valve and has thus been the dominant valve in all carbon valve studies done over the last decade and a half. If the St. Jude could tolerate a lower INR profile, it would likely have surfaced in that time.

The St. Jude is a fine valve that has probably saved more lives than any other single valve of any type from any manufacturer. But the St. Jude and the On-X are not the same valve, and in no way would I agree that the results of the study under discussion would be interchangeable between them.

Best wishes,

Randy & Robyn
March 26th, 2006, 10:14 PM
Here is a link to the official government notice for the On-X reduced anticoagulation trial:

http://www.clinicaltrials.gov/ct/show/NCT00291525

It looks like it will be a long haul before the trial is completed.

RCB
March 26th, 2006, 11:39 PM
Your valve will last till at least 2016;) :p :D

Troy
May 4th, 2006, 05:41 PM
I am going to have my AVR Thursday May 11th, by Dr Marvin Peyton at OU Medical Center in OKC, OK. After a lot of research, I have decided on the ON-X valve by MCRI. Dr Jack Bokros created the first pyrolitic carbon material about 30 years ago, has made parts for the St. Jude valve, helped create the Carbomedics valve and then started the MCRI ON-X valve. He has been in the big middle of the mechanical heart valves for 30 years. My gut tells me this is a superior valve. Dr. Bokros has created a yet stronger carbon material and reshaped the mechanical heart valve to try to duplicate the natural valves contours, which cuts down on blood damage and noise. I like the possibiltiy of reduced INR levels or maybe asprin and Plavix. Would liek to hear from anyone who has a an ON-X valve.

allodwick
May 22nd, 2006, 11:09 PM
I don't usually follow this forum but I think an important question to ask is, "Will it be a different ON-X valve that will be tested or will it be the ones already implanted."

Another consideration is that nobody knows the effects of long-term Plavix. Instead of taking a well-studied drug (warfarin) you will be a lab rat for long-term Plavix.

Andyrdj
May 23rd, 2006, 04:39 AM
I've heard vague stuff about it. How will it work, in comparison to Warfarin? Fewer side effects? More specific?

allodwick
May 23rd, 2006, 08:23 AM
It works on the platlet clotting system. This is involved with clots in high pressure, high shear force situations like heart attacks. Warfarin is involved with the fibrin clotting system which has to do more with blood that stagnates such as in the leg, when you have atrial fibrillation or a mechanical valve that causes a change in how the blood flows around the heart chambers.

We have absolutely no idea what the 20 - 30 - 40 year toxicity of Plavix might be. Not even a guess. We will not know until thousands of people have taken it for these long periods of time. That is why I say that taking it will turn one into a lab rat.

We know about warfarin causing bleeding. But because it has been around since the 1950's, we have good knowledge of its 25-year toxicity -- extremely low.

Ross
May 23rd, 2006, 08:44 AM
All I know is, when I took Plavix, it made me have bleeding exacerbations in my lungs. Coumadin does not. I also didn't care for the diarrhea that came with Plavix. If you ask me, Plavix gets a firm thumbs down.

Andyrdj
May 23rd, 2006, 10:59 AM
From what allodwick has said, it actually sounds like Plavix is less suitable for the purpose anyway - either for A/Fib or mecha valves!

Dustin
May 23rd, 2006, 11:39 AM
I now read that long term aspirin may increase the risk of pancreatic cancer while other publications argue a reduced risk of colorectal cancer. It's frustrating to be exchanging complications, for the On-X may turn out to be safe with aspirin/plavix yet you end up with a cancer or a toxified liver.

Sometimes you just want to bang your head.... :mad:

Randy & Robyn
May 23rd, 2006, 04:58 PM
I believe I have already stated this in another post somewhere but I will reiterate.

I chose a mechanical valve because I was terrified of another surgery. But, despite all of the reassurance everyone gave me here on this forum that coumadin was no big deal, I was also very worried that I would be one of the few to have difficulty with it. That is why I wanted the On-X. Because it offered the possibility that I could be off coumadin within a few years.

But now that I am on coumadin and have experienced no problems I seriously doubt I would even consider switching to plavix, even if this study succeeds.
If I am living a perfectly normal life, eating what I want, doing what I want, and with no negative side effects then why mess with what is obviously working?

This past weekend, my wife and I built a deck on the front of our house. Never one to take the precautions that I should, I dropped a 2x10 on my sandalled foot, received numerous splinters that I had to dig out, and just generally banged myself up. I have not one bruise to show for it and no more bleeding than I would have expected from the splinter extrications.

I realize age plays an important factor in the risk of complications with coumadin but I am very hopeful that by the time I reach that point, there will almost assuredly be a safer form of ACT. In thirty years, OHS might even have minimal risks and they can pop in a tissue engineered valve that will last the rest of my life.

Randy